Escortbiz....Please elaborate on a point you made earlier.

[BVF]

Dear Escortbiz,

I remember in an earlier thread, you said something to the effect that having sample videos on your site kills conversions.....I asked for you to elaborate but you never did...I don't know even if you saw the comment...

So I'll make a special thread about it.....

Escortbiz....Could you please elaborate on why you think that having sample videos on a paysite kills conversions?...If I didn't respect your opinion on this, I wouldn't be asking....

Thanks in advance for your consideration,

Black Vagina Finder.

[Barefootsies]

I have found the opposite.

Just as I have found that transparency, i.e. showing your full members area/updates, equals MORE conversions. But keep in mind, I am niche. Also that my preview views are 30 seconds maximum.

Here's a bump for you.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have found the opposite.

Just as I have found that transparency, i.e. showing your full members area/updates, equals MORE conversions. But keep in mind, I am niche. Also that my preview views are 30 seconds maximum.

Here's a bump for you.

Id say BVF is niche specific too

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Deej

Id say BVF is niche specific too

As is Escortbiz.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by BVF

As is Escortbiz.

that he is...

[EscortBiz]

Ok ill try to explain without complicating things

First let me start off by saying that I base my things on actual trial and error using mega amounts of traffic, I dont just post what I assume, so for those who plan on debating me please be someone who tried both ways vs just posting what you think should or shouldn’t work.

First off common sense would tell you that by adding a trailer a good one obviously that shows just enough to really tease should increase signups, well thats exactly what I thought, I went ahead and started to get good trailers made up for all my sets.

Back when I started the idea of adding flash to a tour would be laughed at simply because of the load time it would take, I mean back then I would offer the members a 56k version of the movie to download.

So now that the speed issue is gone and flash can run on most computers I figured im about to really see my signups go thru the roof once im done redoing my tours with the trailers.

I did the same thing for my pay per view site, created trailers for each and every movie.

Once things where live there was a really noticeable drop in signups, I seriously was shocked, then I noticed a pattern that all the sites I push with trailers on the tour convert worse then those with just photos.

Now I can sit here and speculate why exactly this may be but here is what we have to remember, lets picture a surfer at his computer surfing porn.

Here is this guy sitting at his computer, here is the avg persons setup.

Has a cell phone next to him
Has at least one sort of Instant messaging app open (AIM YAHOO SKYPE ETC.)
Has some sort of email open, yahoo, hotmail, aol (aol software)
Has his myspace, facebook, twitter, youtube minimized as well

And now with all the above he made it to your site, maybe he found you on google maybe he found you on some TGP etc.

The more you let him browse around your site, figure the avg user will play 8 of your 30 second trailers, that’s 4 minutes right there + (sounds like a little time but it’s a long time), think about what can happen during this time to distract him? He can get a text, he can get a notice that he got a new mail now hes responding, maybe his phone rings, maybe he got a new message on myspace.

Think about yourself, how many times where you at a site putting to together a order of books or videos or clothing and then the next day you remind yourself you never ended checking out? Why? Because you got distracted, a email another site, your browser crashed whatever.

Doing tests now I notice that when I have my tours with less pages (8 pages) it does better then the 30 page tours (that’s why ill be changing things).

My advice to anyone would be to do a test for a few days compare numbers, compare in google tracking the bounce rate etc.

Another thing I plan on testing because movie is a powerful thing and I got this idea from the blacksonblondes guys is to do a combo trailer for each site, so instead of doing a trailer per set, you do a 45 – 60 seconds trailer with small short highlights of your best stuff.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Deej

Id say BVF is niche specific too

While that may be the case chief. I do not ASSume I know what they do or do not do. I simply qualify my remarks with my experience in the case they serve a large market master.

Thanks for your 'hot tip'.

[BVF]

I'm gonna strip the sample videos and see what happens.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

While that may be the case chief. I do not ASSume I know what they do or do not do. I simply qualify my remarks with my experience in the case they serve a large market master.

Thanks for your 'hot tip'.

Wasn't a snide remark bub

more of an observation that we all know...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Deej

Wasn't a snide remark bub

I was just pulling a Deej.

Returning the kick in the observation nuts bub....

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by BVF

I'm gonna strip the sample videos and see what happens.

I have tried it both ways. Pictures only, and then videos only, and then a mix of pictures and videos. I have demo'd it any number of ways on my tours, and tracked results. Last year I even demo'd it via FLV/tube versus a traditional tour. I have seen some interesting trends on what works, and doesn't, for me.

I would be interested to hear more on your findings.

[Robbie]

A lot of it has to do with what you're working with. If you have a site full of personality on display...then a vid will absolutely sell the site. If it's more of a site where there isn't a whole lot of set up and the girls don't really talk or have a storyline of sorts...more of a get down to gritty action kind of thing, then maybe no vid trailer would be the way to go.

For me, I have had many members of claudia-marie.com write and tell us that they joined once they saw the trailers and heard her southern accent and could see her personality and the way she fucks...whereas in pictures she's just another blonde with big tits. So for me video trailers are the reason her site exploded right out of the gate and is the most profitable thing I've been involved in. Far more than my affiliate work over the years...and that was millions of dollars over the last 11 years.

As an affiliate I can say that I was always able to sell the most memberships to sites that had kick ass video trailers. And I agree the dogfart idea of one big trailer for the whole site is pretty cool too.

These days however, it's hard to judge things. For instance...how much of tushycash is posted on tubes and torrents for free? That effects your sales as well. If the whole members areas are ripped then I would think that a lot of marketing just goes right out the window.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Robbie

A lot of it has to do with what you're working with. If you have a site full of personality on display...then a vid will absolutely sell the site. If it's more of a site where there isn't a whole lot of set up and the girls don't really talk or have a storyline of sorts...more of a get down to gritty action kind of thing, then maybe no vid trailer would be the way to go.

For me, I have had many members of claudia-marie.com write and tell us that they joined once they saw the trailers and heard her southern accent and could see her personality and the way she fucks...whereas in pictures she's just another blonde with big tits. So for me video trailers are the reason her site exploded right out of the gate and is the most profitable thing I've been involved in. Far more than my affiliate work over the years...and that was millions of dollars over the last 11 years.

As an affiliate I can say that I was always able to sell the most memberships to sites that had kick ass video trailers. And I agree the dogfart idea of one big trailer for the whole site is pretty cool too.

These days however, it's hard to judge things. For instance...how much of tushycash is posted on tubes and torrents for free? That effects your sales as well. If the whole members areas are ripped then I would think that a lot of marketing just goes right out the window.

I have 10 new sets a week on my sites, people forget that sites who dont update are mor affected that sites that dont, and I use companies like removeyourcontent and so on to rid my stuff for those sites, its not perfect but do a search for my stuff and most links will come up removed

then again myself and post people I know and I know many never made any coin with solo sites yet you had luck with a solo style site, so I guess to each their own

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

I have 10 new sets a week on my sites, people forget that sites who dont update are mor affected that sites that dont, and I use companies like removeyourcontent and so on to rid my stuff for those sites, its not perfect but do a search for my stuff and most links will come up removed

then again myself and post people I know and I know many never made any coin with solo sites yet you had luck with a solo style site, so I guess to each their own

I remember you saying you were going to switch all your sites to streaming only...have you done that yet? I'm very curious to see if that increases sign ups and retention...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

I have 10 new sets a week on my sites, people forget that sites who dont update are mor affected that sites that dont, and I use companies like removeyourcontent and so on to rid my stuff for those sites, its not perfect but do a search for my stuff and most links will come up removed

then again myself and post people I know and I know many never made any coin with solo sites yet you had luck with a solo style site, so I guess to each their own

Good move with RYC. I use them too.

And yeah...I had a big advantage over most starting a solo site because of what I had already done and who my friends were. But I definitely couldn't sell it without video. It's interesting that you're seeing more sales without video trailers.

[CunningStunt]

Useful info here

Same goes for affiliates to some extent, flooding their promo pages with videos, giving away the whole shooting match.

[slapass]

you two might be closer then you think as I doubt Robbie has tons of video on the site. It is a solo girl site.

Open foot and insert mouth. He has lots of video clips.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by slapass

Open foot and insert mouth. He has lots of video clips.

Yeah, I approached the entire claudia-marie.com site in a different way than a lot of other solo girl sites. It's a labor of love and I personally write, shoot, edit, and update that site myself in the way that I (as a big boob lover) would want to see it. So yeah, there is a lot of video there and it just keeps growing.

But as you know, marketing strategies aren't a "one size fits all" as EscortBiz has proven with his results.

[slavdogg]

we've seen the same, too many samples kills conversions

[JustDaveXxx]

if you ask the right questions, you will learn a lot on this thread!! EB know her shit when it comes to tour pages.

[fuzebox]

Back when I was a surfer I used to jerk off to nastydollars trailers. They were enough content for me, and this was like 2002.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Back when I was a surfer I used to jerk off to nastydollars trailers. They were enough content for me, and this was like 2002.

But it's different for everybody. In 2002 I was making 50+ sales a day on Milf Hunter with Nasty Dollars and those trailers. Everybody has different experiences with things.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Great info Escort. From sending traffic to different sponsors I have seen basically what you are saying. The sites I send to that do not have trailers are converting way more than those that do.

[nudecanada]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Ok ill try to explain without complicating things

First let me start off by saying that I base my things on actual trial and error using mega amounts of traffic, I dont just post what I assume...

lmao.

Run your sites through Alexa, it tells a way different story than the folklore you post.

[DWB]

I still have old sites that convert VERY well with no trailers and just screen caps in the episode boxes. I added high res pics at one time and remade the tour and ratios fell to shit. I put back the old school tour, back in business. Go figure.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by nudecanada

lmao.

Run your sites through Alexa, it tells a way different story than the folklore you post.

Alexa doesn't mean shit.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by nudecanada

lmao.

Run your sites through Alexa, it tells a way different story than the folklore you post.

I mean seriously get a life, jealousy wont get you anywhere

[Doctor Feelgood]

Originally Posted by BVF

I'm gonna strip the sample videos and see what happens.

hit me up, i could send some signups from nappyheadedhoes.com

[gornyhuy]

My :2cents - Some very short teaser to give them a strong tease and sense of style and attitude and production quality and so on is important, but it needs to be very much a tease and not enough material to even get out the hand lotion. I think the "distraction from other stuff" may be a factor, but I also think the mystery and allure of the surfer *imagining* all the awesome shit that is behind the join page is a very powerful force.

Cliff notes:
Give them too much and 1)you kill their mystery/imagination that drives the sale and 2)You give away the fap for free

[slapass]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

My :2cents - Some very short teaser to give them a strong tease and sense of style and attitude and production quality and so on is important, but it needs to be very much a tease and not enough material to even get out the hand lotion. I think the "distraction from other stuff" may be a factor, but I also think the mystery and allure of the surfer *imagining* all the awesome shit that is behind the join page is a very powerful force.

Cliff notes:
Give them too much and 1)you kill their mystery/imagination that drives the sale and 2)You give away the fap for free

I would agree with this but lets face it. Why does not matter. The fact that such makes more money this way then that does. This is going ot sound stupid but I sort of thought you sponsors did this all the time so that we were sending our traffic to highly specilized and thought out tour... DOH!

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But it's different for everybody. In 2002 I was making 50+ sales a day on Milf Hunter with Nasty Dollars and those trailers. Everybody has different experiences with things.

Oh for sure, I was just sayin'

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

hit me up, i could send some signups from nappyheadedhoes.com

Hey I saw your site and I would love to have my hoes up on there..I rarely logon to icq and now that I have tried, my password doesn't work...

my email is howardugrad AT yahoo DOT com or leave your email and I will contact you.

[Lamis]

that's not the reason ESCORT...

the real reason are sites like extreme-board... they offer all your content, BUT for free... so nobody will join ur site...

ur content is also found for free at:

rapidshare
depositfiles
tooziq

and dozens of other files sharing and/or torrent sites...

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But it's different for everybody. In 2002 I was making 50+ sales a day on Milf Hunter with Nasty Dollars and those trailers. Everybody has different experiences with things.

and now how many sales a day you do with "some" paysite ?

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by nudecanada

lmao.

Run your sites through Alexa, it tells a way different story than the folklore you post.

And your site is...???????

And your program is...???????

And your sig is....??????

Alexa only counts those with alexa toolbars. And who needs that spyware anyways? Irregardless, conversions don't count on Alexa, just bodies. I've been shooting for Tushy cash and doing biz with Escort Biz for almost 6 years now. He (or she) knows his or her shit. And most people don't even know if Escort Biz is a guy or a girl!

I took off the trailers and the trials and sales exploded. But what do I know? My site has been up online for 8 years.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Lamis

that's not the reason ESCORT...

the real reason are sites like extreme-board... they offer all your content, BUT for free... so nobody will join ur site...

ur content is also found for free at:

rapidshare
depositfiles
tooziq

and dozens of other files sharing and/or torrent sites...

you keep on reppeating your stupid fucking shit, my sites content is not on extreme board and when you see it on rapid share its gone within a day or so so please shut the fuck up already

[nudecanada]

Originally Posted by Peter Romero

I took off the trailers and the trials and sales exploded. But what do I know? My site has been up online for 8 years.

Another smoke blower. ^
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/povgirls.com

Now THAT is explosion!

And DWB, I know that Alexa does not count for much but it is a semi-good indicator at the very least of the amount of visitors a site gets. Those that have no traffic will of course will dispute that.

[sysk]

Originally Posted by BVF

Dear Escortbiz,

I remember in an earlier thread, you said something to the effect that having sample videos on your site kills conversions.....I asked for you to elaborate but you never did...I don't know even if you saw the comment...

So I'll make a special thread about it.....

Escortbiz....Could you please elaborate on why you think that having sample videos on a paysite kills conversions?...If I didn't respect your opinion on this, I wouldn't be asking....

Thanks in advance for your consideration,

Black Vagina Finder.

There's a Reply button in most threads.

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

you keep on reppeating your stupid fucking shit, my sites content is not on extreme board and when you see it on rapid share its gone within a day or so so please shut the fuck up already

do you want to bet, sucker??

i can give you threads that have been on extreme-board with your videos for free for long time...

Do you want to bet??

I won't post those links for free... it takes work, you know... Your videos are IN FACT offered for free at that board.

well.. most of other sponsors too... like Shemale Revenge...

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Lamis

do you want to bet, sucker??

i can give you threads that have been on extreme-board with your videos for free for long time...

Do you want to bet??

I won't post those links for free... it takes work, you know... Your videos are IN FACT offered for free at that board.

well.. most of other sponsors too... like Shemale Revenge...

please you desperate junky, you are a sad story

my content like everyone elses gets out there but I spend money making sure its not out for long

[Robbie]

Jesus fucking Christ!

It's no wonder that less and less people who are in this business even bother posting here anymore. A real program owner makes a business related post and it turns into a fucking trolling session.

It's an embarrassment.

Hey EscortBiz, I've promoted tushycash for years. You have my respect as a peer and an actual person who actually is in the porn business. It's just fucking ridiculous that you are unable to post a single fucking thing on a board that is SUPPOSED to be for our industry without a bunch of people attacking for no reason except to attack.

The day Eric finally makes a section that is only for people who can prove that they are in this business will be great. It's been asked about for years.

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by nudecanada

Another smoke blower. ^
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/povgirls.com

Now THAT is explosion!

And DWB, I know that Alexa does not count for much but it is a semi-good indicator at the very least of the amount of visitors a site gets. Those that have no traffic will of course will dispute that.

Hey douchebag - my site is www.POVPorn.com not whatever the fuck you typed.

We are talking about conversions, not amount of traffic. Please stay out of business threads and go back to your "Win an X Box or $50" contest threads.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus fucking Christ!

It's no wonder that less and less people who are in this business even bother posting here anymore. A real program owner makes a business related post and it turns into a fucking trolling session.

It's an embarrassment.

Hey EscortBiz, I've promoted tushycash for years. You have my respect as a peer and an actual person who actually is in the porn business. It's just fucking ridiculous that you are unable to post a single fucking thing on a board that is SUPPOSED to be for our industry without a bunch of people attacking for no reason except to attack.

The day Eric finally makes a section that is only for people who can prove that they are in this business will be great. It's been asked about for years.

Very well said!!

You people have a chance to do Q and A with someone who really knows their shit and some of you people act like this??? WOW!, Im embarrassed for you.



WOW!!! You are probably the same people that would crucify Jesus again if he came back. "Walking on water is an easy trick, how do i know you are the real Jesus?? David Copperfield made the statue of Liberty disappear."

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus fucking Christ!

It's no wonder that less and less people who are in this business even bother posting here anymore. A real program owner makes a business related post and it turns into a fucking trolling session.

It's an embarrassment.

Hey EscortBiz, I've promoted tushycash for years. You have my respect as a peer and an actual person who actually is in the porn business. It's just fucking ridiculous that you are unable to post a single fucking thing on a board that is SUPPOSED to be for our industry without a bunch of people attacking for no reason except to attack.

The day Eric finally makes a section that is only for people who can prove that they are in this business will be great. It's been asked about for years.

Bravo fine sire.

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by Lamis

do you want to bet, sucker??

i can give you threads that have been on extreme-board with your videos for free for long time...

Do you want to bet??

I won't post those links for free... it takes work, you know... Your videos are IN FACT offered for free at that board.

well.. most of other sponsors too... like Shemale Revenge...

10-1 youre the fucking cockholster stealing the content.

[Monique Niccole]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus fucking Christ!

It's no wonder that less and less people who are in this business even bother posting here anymore. A real program owner makes a business related post and it turns into a fucking trolling session.

It's an embarrassment.

Hey EscortBiz, I've promoted tushycash for years. You have my respect as a peer and an actual person who actually is in the porn business. It's just fucking ridiculous that you are unable to post a single fucking thing on a board that is SUPPOSED to be for our industry without a bunch of people attacking for no reason except to attack.

The day Eric finally makes a section that is only for people who can prove that they are in this business will be great. It's been asked about for years.

Even in spite of the trolls, this is a great thread for those willing to listen.

Much respect to both Escort Biz and BVF

[San]

Serious business.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Lamis

do you want to bet, sucker??

i can give you threads that have been on extreme-board with your videos for free for long time...

Do you want to bet??

I won't post those links for free... it takes work, you know... Your videos are IN FACT offered for free at that board.

well.. most of other sponsors too... like Shemale Revenge...

Somebody ban this porn fan!!!

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by amacontent

10-1 youre the fucking cockholster stealing the content.

show proof of that you motherfucker or i am reporting you to the admins...

i was the first one to be against those fucking forum and torrent sites that ruined the biz (while all other were talking about tubes), you son of a bitch...

now show some proof, OR YOU ARE GONE.. SUCKER!

[Webmaster Army]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus fucking Christ!

It's no wonder that less and less people who are in this business even bother posting here anymore. A real program owner makes a business related post and it turns into a fucking trolling session.

It's an embarrassment.

Hey EscortBiz, I've promoted tushycash for years. You have my respect as a peer and an actual person who actually is in the porn business. It's just fucking ridiculous that you are unable to post a single fucking thing on a board that is SUPPOSED to be for our industry without a bunch of people attacking for no reason except to attack.

The day Eric finally makes a section that is only for people who can prove that they are in this business will be great. It's been asked about for years.

I find the thread intriguing, fuck the stupid troll. No trailers meaning more conversions seems counter-intuitive on all but the shittiest of sites so to hear it increases sales for some great programs is interesting. The troll just sounds like someone that went broke trying to make it and is bitterly holding on.